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onlygoodlawyerisState of the Lawyer/Why does Apollo run around like a crazy person/ASH RAMBLES!!
When it boils down to it, the only reason Apollo is so proactive is because of Trucy. When he arrived, Teal was nice and informative enough, and gave him a good positive welcome, despite the warnings about bad things happening. He was content, and generally felt 'okay this is happening, I'm here :|a' And was prepared to just go with the flow.
But then he met Trucy! She immediately planted the notion of being a 'DEFENDER OF JUSTICE' in his head, despite just. . .meaning he's a lawyer. Since then, she's been nothing but happy and supportive, and even understanding when he got miffed about his first trial with Phoenix. Overall, Trucy has been the one constant thing in Decollage (which later extends to Coco, too) that Apollo looks at and goes 'everything is okay, and she is a good person.' SO. CLEARLY HE NEEDS TO WORK TO LIVE UP TO BEING THIS PERSON'S FRIEND/LAWYER/ASSISTANT/pseudo big brother.
This is pretty much what happened in canon, as well! Apollo was PISSED about Phoenix setting him up with forged evidence, but after two months being jobless, he reluctantly went to his office looking for work. The first person he sees isn't Phoenix, it's Trucy, and she's as perky as ever, encouraging him and dragging him along to find their first case. Later, during trials, it's Trucy who's urging Apollo to just GO FOR IT while he's mentally complaining and hesitating to act without all the facts. Trucy has always been a positive outside catalysis to get Apollo moving. Once he's finally on track, he's fine to solo, or the end up working on pretty even ground. THEY ARE AN ADORABLE TEAM.
Anyway, in Deco, he still has that push to be productive and in constant Justice mode--it's actually a bit stronger because Trucy ISN'T on his team or around him all the time. The push he got when he first arrived has now settled in his head as "I need to be useful, I need to change something." And that's what he's set out to do. In canon and in back in Sabra, Apollo really has no friends outside of his professional life (Trucy, Klavier, Ema), and from Sabra, no one aside from Bunnycorn (and mirror lovers). In Dragon's game, for the first time in Deco, it finally registered "my friend is going to die and I could have stopped it." This isn't the first time all the teams have been in a WE'RE GONNA DIE, but the first time he could have actively saved someone. Apollo is actually pretty adamant about putting logic before emotions (or at least showing them. unfortunately, he has no idea how to mask that), but this one decision completely refused to BE logical aaand he snapped and got himself eaten.
That and I wanted a unicorn to be eaten. Don't judge me!1
OOCly I HAD NO IDEA ONLY ONE LILAC WAS EATEN and that just made it even better, and sort of mirrored the moment Apollo thought Trucy was kidnapped in canon. THINK TRUCY IS IN DANGER / WAIT NO SHE'S ACTUALLY FINE / BAWL LIKE A BABY ANYWAY BECAUSE WHAT IF!!! Apollo is a very reasonable person, but once something DOES tip his emotional scale, he hides it even less than usual. With tears. Anyway, that was nearly the straw to break the camel's back, only. . .it didn't hurt him in negative way. He's now MORE DETERMINED THAN EVER to break a portrait's game one day, or die trying. He's dead anyway, what's he got left to lose!!
Had he not gotten these constants pushes to DO stuff in Deco, he would have slid back into a passive position, letting his team and others do whatever they want, only with some minor bitching. But instead, he's actively making himself get outside and meet people, to establish I AM HERE. I NEED TO KNOW YOU. I NEED TO DO SOMETHING. He's still not entirely sure what good this does aside from having people to have casual conversation with, and possibly not kill them in games, but he's slowly trying to enjoy it, and figure out if his wish really is worth the trouble everyone's going through (as of now he thinks his wish is to just not Be Dead, and that isn't the case.).
AND THEN OVER HERE. TEAL GOT A NEWBIE. Macaron!! Apollo actually took an immediate liking to her. A REASONABLE, LOGICAL PERSON HOORAY?? But he also quickly caught that she Is Not Quite right. But hey, he's been getting that a lot recently, so no biggie, right? BUT THEN THIS THREAD HAPPENED. Apollo is starting to reach is limit of crazy, emotionless psychopaths. He wants to like Macaron! HE REALLY DOES. And is willing to be an extra hard ass to drill in the fact that he refuses to let go of his emotions or let Teal become sociopaths. But now he's drive is stuck in an aggressive, stubborn place where he feels like he needs to prove you don't have to be a killing machine to get by here. Steel casually mentioning he was probably a murderer in his past didn't help matters either. YOU CAN BE CRAZY AND STILL BE A DECENT PERSON. This. . .this is all Apollo wants to prove. Thankfully, he just got his memory of Almaz good ending in Sabra, too, so not only was that a MAJOR boost in his lawful morality, but it also helps anchor his sanity. Things can be good in crazy amnesia land. HE'S SEEN IT. Somehow, he has to find a way to perfectly balance logic and reason to counteract with either emotional stability, or insane apathy. THIS WON'T BE HARD AT ALL.
Then I got distracted and watched a Batman/Superman movie. SUMMING THIS UP.
Every single negative experience has continued to boost Apollo toward becoming a person who makes things better for others, and becoming a person he thinks someone can depend on. He wants to be reliable and trusted, he wants to be an actual defender of justice! At this point it'd take something extremely heavy handed to punt him backwards, aside from his own memories. Apollo himself is mentally a ticking lawyer timebomb because of his clusterfuck of sabra memories, but even then, his core personality is very solid and strong, and he has enough direction right now to keep charging and never stop. HE'S GOING TO TAKE DECO BY THE HORNS AND YELL IN ITS FACE.
And then apologize and go pick mushrooms. BUT STILL YELLING WILL HAPPEN.
THAT ASIDE, QUESTION MEME. ask me deco questions or any other rp stuff.
When it boils down to it, the only reason Apollo is so proactive is because of Trucy. When he arrived, Teal was nice and informative enough, and gave him a good positive welcome, despite the warnings about bad things happening. He was content, and generally felt 'okay this is happening, I'm here :|a' And was prepared to just go with the flow.
But then he met Trucy! She immediately planted the notion of being a 'DEFENDER OF JUSTICE' in his head, despite just. . .meaning he's a lawyer. Since then, she's been nothing but happy and supportive, and even understanding when he got miffed about his first trial with Phoenix. Overall, Trucy has been the one constant thing in Decollage (which later extends to Coco, too) that Apollo looks at and goes 'everything is okay, and she is a good person.' SO. CLEARLY HE NEEDS TO WORK TO LIVE UP TO BEING THIS PERSON'S FRIEND/LAWYER/ASSISTANT/pseudo big brother.
This is pretty much what happened in canon, as well! Apollo was PISSED about Phoenix setting him up with forged evidence, but after two months being jobless, he reluctantly went to his office looking for work. The first person he sees isn't Phoenix, it's Trucy, and she's as perky as ever, encouraging him and dragging him along to find their first case. Later, during trials, it's Trucy who's urging Apollo to just GO FOR IT while he's mentally complaining and hesitating to act without all the facts. Trucy has always been a positive outside catalysis to get Apollo moving. Once he's finally on track, he's fine to solo, or the end up working on pretty even ground. THEY ARE AN ADORABLE TEAM.
Anyway, in Deco, he still has that push to be productive and in constant Justice mode--it's actually a bit stronger because Trucy ISN'T on his team or around him all the time. The push he got when he first arrived has now settled in his head as "I need to be useful, I need to change something." And that's what he's set out to do. In canon and in back in Sabra, Apollo really has no friends outside of his professional life (Trucy, Klavier, Ema), and from Sabra, no one aside from Bunnycorn (and mirror lovers). In Dragon's game, for the first time in Deco, it finally registered "my friend is going to die and I could have stopped it." This isn't the first time all the teams have been in a WE'RE GONNA DIE, but the first time he could have actively saved someone. Apollo is actually pretty adamant about putting logic before emotions (or at least showing them. unfortunately, he has no idea how to mask that), but this one decision completely refused to BE logical aaand he snapped and got himself eaten.
That and I wanted a unicorn to be eaten. Don't judge me!1
OOCly I HAD NO IDEA ONLY ONE LILAC WAS EATEN and that just made it even better, and sort of mirrored the moment Apollo thought Trucy was kidnapped in canon. THINK TRUCY IS IN DANGER / WAIT NO SHE'S ACTUALLY FINE / BAWL LIKE A BABY ANYWAY BECAUSE WHAT IF!!! Apollo is a very reasonable person, but once something DOES tip his emotional scale, he hides it even less than usual. With tears. Anyway, that was nearly the straw to break the camel's back, only. . .it didn't hurt him in negative way. He's now MORE DETERMINED THAN EVER to break a portrait's game one day, or die trying. He's dead anyway, what's he got left to lose!!
Had he not gotten these constants pushes to DO stuff in Deco, he would have slid back into a passive position, letting his team and others do whatever they want, only with some minor bitching. But instead, he's actively making himself get outside and meet people, to establish I AM HERE. I NEED TO KNOW YOU. I NEED TO DO SOMETHING. He's still not entirely sure what good this does aside from having people to have casual conversation with, and possibly not kill them in games, but he's slowly trying to enjoy it, and figure out if his wish really is worth the trouble everyone's going through (as of now he thinks his wish is to just not Be Dead, and that isn't the case.).
AND THEN OVER HERE. TEAL GOT A NEWBIE. Macaron!! Apollo actually took an immediate liking to her. A REASONABLE, LOGICAL PERSON HOORAY?? But he also quickly caught that she Is Not Quite right. But hey, he's been getting that a lot recently, so no biggie, right? BUT THEN THIS THREAD HAPPENED. Apollo is starting to reach is limit of crazy, emotionless psychopaths. He wants to like Macaron! HE REALLY DOES. And is willing to be an extra hard ass to drill in the fact that he refuses to let go of his emotions or let Teal become sociopaths. But now he's drive is stuck in an aggressive, stubborn place where he feels like he needs to prove you don't have to be a killing machine to get by here. Steel casually mentioning he was probably a murderer in his past didn't help matters either. YOU CAN BE CRAZY AND STILL BE A DECENT PERSON. This. . .this is all Apollo wants to prove. Thankfully, he just got his memory of Almaz good ending in Sabra, too, so not only was that a MAJOR boost in his lawful morality, but it also helps anchor his sanity. Things can be good in crazy amnesia land. HE'S SEEN IT. Somehow, he has to find a way to perfectly balance logic and reason to counteract with either emotional stability, or insane apathy. THIS WON'T BE HARD AT ALL.
Then I got distracted and watched a Batman/Superman movie. SUMMING THIS UP.
Every single negative experience has continued to boost Apollo toward becoming a person who makes things better for others, and becoming a person he thinks someone can depend on. He wants to be reliable and trusted, he wants to be an actual defender of justice! At this point it'd take something extremely heavy handed to punt him backwards, aside from his own memories. Apollo himself is mentally a ticking lawyer timebomb because of his clusterfuck of sabra memories, but even then, his core personality is very solid and strong, and he has enough direction right now to keep charging and never stop. HE'S GOING TO TAKE DECO BY THE HORNS AND YELL IN ITS FACE.
And then apologize and go pick mushrooms. BUT STILL YELLING WILL HAPPEN.
THAT ASIDE, QUESTION MEME. ask me deco questions or any other rp stuff.
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Date: 2013-04-23 02:58 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-23 03:18 am (UTC)The only reason Apollo is not scared out of his skin around Ticky is because their first encounter was in a game. And Ticky was nice enough! He actually seemed REASONABLE. But then he went and tortured him for a while and almost choked him to death. . .\e-e/
Apollo was actually pissed about that, and wished they had played a higher card on Copper Rose, haha. But what was done was done, and he still wants to figure out exactly what is wrong with Ticky/was it just a game thing?? Or is he actually an insane sadist?? HE'S PRETTY SURE TICKY IS, what with having a flesh eating butterfly living in his hand.
DESPITE THAT THOUGH, the fact that Ticky makes himself approachable during casual times baffles him. Cardinal is blunt and unsettling. Celeste is full of assholes! But having met half of Copper Rose now, Apollo genuinely thinks "maybe someone could talk sense into them :|a..." (Izzie is adorable, and Gilgamesh is an idiot, but somehow apollo is his advisor/subject thing now idek??) He wants to curb Ticky and co from Outside of Game killing. THAT IS HIS ULTERIOR MOTIVE. There is also a pride issue here--because of the huge justice kick he's been on, Apollo really wants Ticky to respect him!1 And to show that he's scared of what people can do, but not that he's afraid of the person.
SO BASICALLY. He's super intrigued and wants to see how far he can get pretty much poking ticky with a stick \'-'\ YOU CAN BE GOOD PEOPLE, MAYBE. OR MAYBE YOU'RE GONNA KILL SOMEONE. AGAIN. IDK.
This is all subject to change in a heartbeat when he remembers ophiuchus.
What does Ticky think of lawyer!1
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Date: 2013-04-23 04:00 am (UTC)OK BASICALLY, if people can convince Ticky that they ACTUALLY DO GIVE A FUCK ABOUT SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THEMSELVES and are basically decent dudes in a general sense, he categorizes them as that. BUT he still believes that ultimately, when something they truly love is on the line they will be the same as any other human and choose what favors themselves over everyone else. THIS IS TRUE OF MOST PEOPLE and how he categorizes Apollo and 99% of the other good guys. The 1% of people who he ACTUALLY BELIEVES WILL ENDLESSLY RISK THEMSELVES AND WHAT THEY PERSONALLY LOVE AND SOMEHOW FIND A WAY TO FIGHT FOR HUMANITY is... Allen Walker.
YOU ARE NOT ALLEN WALKER (= by a long shot. Which is probably good because as soon as he thinks someone is entering Allen Walker territory he tries to murder them brutally because he doesn't like people who challenge his world view. As a BASICALLY OK PERSON WHO IS STILL ULTIMATELY FLAWED AND DISGUSTING LIKE ALL HUMANS, Ticky likes Apollo! He finds his naivete and persistence charming! He would like to hang out more and would probably get along. He doesn't really BELIEVE IN YOUR JUSTICE or anything, but he believes you believe in it and will continue to believe in it unless someone like him decides to break you. which is pretty much as high as non-Allen Walker people can get in his book without a personal emotional connection (like actually being frans).
WHAT WILL REMEMBERING OPHIUCHUS DO...
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Date: 2013-04-23 04:13 am (UTC)HE WOKE UP STITCHED UP ON A BLOODY TABLE WITH A MUTANT HEART BECAUSE OF HIM. HE WILL PROBLY AUTO AVOID HIM THEN.
THANKS!1!
but yes they should hang out. and by hang out i guess i just mean harassing.
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Date: 2013-04-23 04:15 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2013-04-23 03:25 am (UTC)He's not extremely close with her, but not because he doesn't want to be, but because he feels like he doesn't need to be. He's seen her get through a couple rough spots in Deco, and she's seemed to come out fine. He sees her as one of the more level headed, logical members of Teal, too, but she's also very grounded, which is reassuring. The only thing that irks him is the occasional 'we should shank a thing' mentality she gets when she's protective. That is not how adults solve problems, Mochi.
BUT YES he appreciates her, and is kind of touched that she's willing to slug him in the face whenever he's Bad Decision Lawyering. Thank you fox teammate '-'d
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Date: 2013-04-23 03:03 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-23 10:12 am (UTC)As for the other current members!1
Coco- BIG ONE as Coco managed to Teal her way into a pseudo little sister spot. He really adores Coco and admires her persistence and overall personality! And the fact that she hasn't snapped into a puddling ball of crying under pressure '-'d!! He really wants her to be happy, but also respects her enough not to really baby her. If bad shit happens, he doesn't try to soften the impact for her--not because he's stupid or insensitive (though that happens sometimes) but because he feels like she's strong enough to get through it without someone holding her hand. They both work on a very similar mindset, too, so it's reassuring to have someone well...normal AND lawful around. He loev her and at this point, is pretty fine with yielding to whatever she says/does unless it's blatantly stupid '-'d!
Candy- APOLLO THINKS SHE'S FREAKING ADORABLE BUT UM I THINK WE NEED TO FIX HER STOMACH. . .orz He really admires her bravery, compassion, and her maturity. All the young kids on Teal are so level headed gosh '^'!! She's a good kid, and he hopes fewer terrible things happen to her.
Creme - NOT MUCH OF AN OPINION they haven't threaded much...8|a GLAD SHE ISN'T..STILL AN ELDRITCH HORROR. . .
Overall he feels Teal's--hm. He wouldn't ICly say GOOD team, but a mentally stable one. He only refuses to say 'good' because my gosh why are all you kids here I hope nothing terrible happened to force you to gamble in this place?? He likes them and has pretty much fallen into a weird big brother spot, and is pretty chill with that.
REVERSE or Coco on Teal turnover 8|a!!
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Date: 2013-04-23 10:35 am (UTC)But mmm it's also important to note that Coco knows she's just a kid. A normal, average kid who somehow found herself caught in two awful amnesia murdergame worlds. AND TIRAMISU, lawful, normal Tiramisu . . . she feels like they can relate? Exist on the same wavelength? And stuff. And more importantly, he's got age and experience and he is really good at lawyering. He knows how to debate over the things she can barely articulate. Like with Macaron! She kind of relies on him for that, and she has a lot of respect for him. It's why he's the first one she comes to when she learns a new thing, esp. about team politics
HE WAS ALSO THE FIRST TEAL TO COME BACK ;w; On the one hand, him leaving just reinforced the idea that no Teal will ever stay with her for long. But then he came back and while it doesn't change the fact that she gets easily attached and hates losing people, it. Reassures her. They will all be okay!
Tiramisu on Sabra!
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Date: 2013-04-23 11:13 am (UTC)He is mostly concerned with what is driving him to get yet another wish. He remembers dying and going to Thusia, which means he was definitely ALIVE and OUT of Sabra post-game, and Quartz had his normal body. Did something go wrong? Why am I eager for another wish when I knew that death was planned?? What was the purpose of Sabra if I stupidly planned to die afterwards??
So he just..has a lot of questions about himself '-'a
COCO ON IRIS!KIT AND CORAL!KIT who does she like better.
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Date: 2013-04-23 11:37 am (UTC)SHE DOESN'T CONCEPTUALIZE THEM AS DIFFERENT AT ALL. Kit is Kaito is Kit! The only thing she does go, "Yeah okay this isn't the same" about is the nature of their relationship. :B KIT AND BERRY IN AATHER are very healthy, and they're also very actively involved in exploring their physical relationship. They're emotionally close and deeply in love, but there's no co-dependency. She remembers a relationship just . . . full of teasing and trolling and dere and support and the ability to let go.
Kit and Coco, on the other hand . . . :'D Their physical relationship is incredibly, incredibly understatement. YES they cuddle a lot and hold hands and sleep in the same bed as often as they can, but beyond that . . . NOT REALLY. They're too busy being horribly co-dependent. While Kit managed to get by without Berry for a month in Aather, neither of them would cope if they lost the other in Deco. They're each other's anchor and emotional support. Kit is like . . . the only real outlet Coco has for her frustration, a-and she kind of lashes out at him sometimes oops. And while she doesn't know it, she is basically Kit's only support.
BUT YES Coco could never say that she likes one better because they're both him.
LAWYER THOUGHTS ON CARDINAL
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Date: 2013-04-23 11:37 am (UTC)CELESTE INSTEAD
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Date: 2013-04-24 11:47 pm (UTC)AND THEN HE FOUND OUT THEY'RE PATRONED TO A FREAKING DRAGON. That doesn't sit well with him!! Apollo already wanted to poke portraits to see what resources they could get out of them, but now, he's shifted priorities to finding a portrait that can provide them with some kind of defense. Just in case '-'a;
That aside from what little he's interacted with/seen of Celeste, everything he has heard is completely backed up \8D/; CRAY CRAY TEAM. The only one he probably wouldn't mind approaching casually is Panther, as she seems the most reasonable.
IDK QUESTIONS!!
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Date: 2013-04-25 01:03 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2013-04-23 10:17 am (UTC)Apollo really likes Cleo! He has a positive impression for everyone on Lilac, really. He's seen her as one of the more level headed people, and she understands his feelings of JUSTICE!!1 so he actually enjoys talking to her when they do. He just. . .kind of ignores/forgets about her being a cat hybrid person 8|a;;
BUT NOW SHE'S BEING HELLA STUBBORN ABOUT A DUMB MEMORY. If there's one thing that really gets to Apollo, it's seeing competent people act irrationally. It's dumb, memories are irrelevant, and why is an otherwise smart person being so recklessly stubborn!! SO HE'S A BIT GRUMPY ABOUT THAT. He'd still talk to her if they bumped again, but would probably flounce if she's still all I'LL BETRAY EVERYOOONE 'no that's dumb shut up.' It's totally because he DOES like her and wishes she'd put a bit more faith in her own friends (Trucy, Musica), because she does have that support network. Why not use it!!
reversssse
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Date: 2013-04-23 05:01 pm (UTC)Okay, so I ended up writing a huge essay on plurk yesterday about Cleo and her feels on JUSTICE, one key point is that essentially she sees Lilac as the lords she serves as a knight. And Trucy the feelings terrorist qualifies as an innocent to protect and a lord to serve, so Trucy gets basically all of her trust and protection and everything. Which means that, when Apollo showed up and Trucy knew him in a positive light, this made Apollo automatically A Good Person and someone Cleo liked.
And then they started talking and this only reinforced her opinions because JUSTICE. He is a defender of justice, therefore he is an ally and a good person!
But then she hit Unlimited Signeg Works and just sort of shut down. Apollo found her there and while she recognizes he was trying to help... well, the law did just sort of go YOU ARE A TRAITOR and she doesn't yet have the memory of not betraying her home so. She recognizes Apollo was trying to help and is grateful, but she is an emotional mess who bases her entire sense of identity on 'i am a knight of justice' and yeah.
So how is Apollo feeling about the portraits in general?
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Date: 2013-04-23 03:28 am (UTC)So I know I'm still technically on hiatus sort of -ish I mean I could probably come off it tonight but I'm not sure if I want to at this point or wait until tomorrow/the next day but...--?Hi Tiramisu, I'm going to ask the standard relationship question if that's okay. :)
...and also I'm kiiiiind of a little curious whether he's remembered that Quince existed yet and if so what his opinion on that whole thing is/might end up but um.
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Date: 2013-04-23 03:57 am (UTC)As for Caramel!! He actually really, really likes him. He's a fun, chipper kid, and kind of has the Trucy effect--he's so positive and upbeat Apollo can't help but get into whatever they're doing and try his best with him (like that story game, haha). He's also impressed with how well Kurow handles the bad games. LEVEL HEADED KID THAT ISN'T TRAUMATIZED YET . . .\'-'\!! p-please don't get too scarred tiny!! So yes, he thinks he's an adorable tiny bro.
OH ALSO, REVERSE ME 'w'
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Date: 2013-04-24 02:18 am (UTC)Anyway. I should first note that Caramel is pretty bad at friendships and bonding and stuff. He's getting better! He's sort of getting the hang of what a friend is at this point, even if that mostly equates "friend" with "teammate". He's still pretty bad at bonds though, hence why he doesn't get as upset about people going into the Bigger Picture as others do. It's not that he doesn't care, it's that he doesn't get attached easily.
That said, though, he definitely looks up to Tiramisu! Not quite as much as he does Coco at the moment, but Tiramisu's a smart guy, and he tells awesome stories too. Sure he can get a little overly worried sometimes about things in Caramel's opinion, but Caramel doesn't mind that and still thinks he's cool anyway. Awesome teammate, which equates to awesome friend because see above. ^^
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Date: 2013-04-23 05:01 am (UTC)since trucy seems pretty much covered you should tell me lawyer's feels on That Guy Who Looks Like Quartz.
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Date: 2013-04-23 10:23 am (UTC)He IS super confused with him being a lookalike to someone he remembers as his best bro, so it's a driving motive to continue to poke Kit until he figures out what's up. HE HAS PERCEPTION BACK NOW and he...he might just start doing that to him for the hell of it. GONNA PRACTICE ON KIT YEAH \'-'\ /'-'/
REVERSE KIT ON LAWYER!1!
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Date: 2013-04-23 08:01 pm (UTC)Like, he is legitimately bewildered that Apollo knows Kudo because he feels like at this point he has a lot of memories of home (and plenty memories of Conan) that he should have remembered Apollo as well! He isn't positive about this though, since he came to Deco with huge holes in his life still present, so he is trying not to think about it too much. But Polly's connection with Kudo is making Kit want to watch him as well! I THINK... KIT is aware Apollo is from Sabra but I'm not sure on that (I KEEP TRACK), but if he is he is also kind of interested in that aspect of him too. WHY WERE YOU IN SABRA WAS KUDO THERE WITH YOU WERE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THIS JINX CHARACTER I JUST RECENTLY DISCOVERED etc etc. So yes, there's a lot of interest there just from that small revelation.
But beyond that, Kit is coming to like him as a person as well! He speaks the language of snarky deadpan teasing very well (and it's actually one of the easiest ways to interact with him), and he respects the fact that Apollo is optimistic and driven and wants people to like. Not kill each other as much as possible HOWEVER IMPOSSIBLE THAT GOAL MAY BE. He can tell that he's a good teammate for Coco too! And he seems like an all around... "good" person, or as good as people can get in settings like Deco. YOU STICK TO YOUR OPTIMISM AND CONVICTIONS APOLLO KIT RESPECTS THAT. Especially since Kit has found it s. . . so hard to stick to his, both in Aather and Deco because his teams won't really let him :'D
He may start closing off some when Apollo starts perceiving on him cuz that'll hit a few too many pings but :') IT SHOULD BE INTERESTING.
IF TEAL EVER DID HAVE TO KILL SOMEONE IN A GAME HOW WOULD APOLLO REACT. . .
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Date: 2013-04-24 11:56 pm (UTC)If Apollo was by himself, he'd just NOPE out and probably end up dead himself. If a bunch of younger members were around, he'd struggle with it, but agree to it. If it's older members and there's ABSOLUTELY NO LOGICAL WAY OUT, he'd let like, Macaron have a go at it \'-'\ And just feel horrendously guilty.
He actually has no problem with the IDEA of killing. He is an attorney! He has a hand in sending people to their execution 8'D;; And in Deco he KNOWS his team has had a hand in others' deaths. But when it comes to directly harming people himself, that's when he hits a wall. Surprisingly enough, it RARELY came up in Sabra--Monoceros were kind of a lawful hivemind and just. . .resigned to Noping and dying a lot as a result. . .even in danger bear where they were CANNIBAL MONSTERS, monoceros refused to do anything and one of their teammates wigged out and ate him \8D/
The only time there was no way to refuse, and they had to kill/maim another team to save themselves and partners, Apollo ended up blue screening and partner team had to pick up the slack \'-'\
SO YEAH HE...HE WOULD NOT HANDLE IT WELL if other lives not his own are involved. He has enough confidence in Deco to DO IT but not without going to hide in a ditch forever and ever afterwards. It just really depends on the game and the people.
WITH THAT, COULD KIT HANDLE KILLING SOMEONE WITH HIS OWN HANDS 8')
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Date: 2013-04-25 01:09 am (UTC)TO ELABORATE ON THAT like, Kit still attempts to hold onto his canon ideals of NEVER HURT ANYONE, NEVER KILL ANYONE, IF ANYONE EVER HAS TO BE HURT IT SHOULD BE ME but obviously both his time in Aather and Deco have. . . really really skewed that, though Deco has messed with it more than Aather ever did. Coral was the first blow to that ideal, in that Coral was a survivalist team that focused a lot on diminishing damage to themselves, mentally and physically. He clashed with Coral a lot about this in the beginning! He always argued for Coral "carrying their weight" in damage games by taking on some of the damage themselves, and he always tried to shove his teammates aside and take ALL OF THE HITS against their will so they weren't hurt. Eventually though he learned that a) he couldn't throw himself under buses because it wasn't fair to Coral to have to watch him be so reckless when they cared about him so much, and b) hurting Coral with his actions was no different than hurting another team, and he had to stop TRYING TO PROTECT EVERYONE and start just... looking out for Coral and the people on other teams he cared about, because there was no way to save everyone. The way he consolidated this with his ideals was by resolving never to let himself make excuses or forget that he was responsible for the people he did kill in games, so while he was never really okay with it in Aather he sort of... sacrificed his ideals for the good of his team! Because if hurting Coral was the same ash hurting another team, then he had to choose Coral because it wasn't fair to deny Coral that chance to defend themselves. He also resigned himself to being that guy who made the shitty decisions during games because at the time he had this realization Coral was filled with people who weren't very good at making these kinds of decisions, and he figured if he couldn't take damage for his team then he might as well protect them by making horrible decisions when they couldn't :|a
Despite being survivalist though Coral was never against pulling punches, and if they could avoid killing someone they would, and they wouldn't mind taking on smaller penalties (like sensory loss or w/e) on themselves. Iris is... a lot less willing to pull punches and is far more ruthless in terms of survival, though I'm sure part of that is because Deco in general is more competitive and harsh of a setting so pulling punches could legit get them killed (AND WOULD HAVE). He's argued for pulling punches before but has always gone with the harsher option because there are people on Iris who aren't willing to take that risk and he can respect that from the lessons he took from Coral. But the consequences of this is that he's delving deeper and deeper into the mindset of "this is how I protect my team, if I need to be the bad guy to protect my team then I might as well do it" so... while he wants to hold onto his ideals he's even more resigned to the fact that he can't in Deco than he was in Aather, which propels him into REALLY RECKLESS DECISION-MAKING that is directly opposed to his ideals in the name of protecting Iris (see: his really dumb proposal in Dragon's game and his reaction to it afterward :'D).
SO BASICALLY, because of all of that, he... could, like if someone was attacking someone he cared about and he was defending them, or if it was absolutely necessary in a game with no way around it. But since killing people messes him up so much when it's done indirectly, doing it personally would probably break the last of his resolve and the last of who he is and he would n... not handle it well at all. A TOTAL MELTDOWN WOULD BE DIRECTLY IMMINENT.
Does Apollo remember anything about Sabra, how does he feel about being stuck in two murder game places?
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Date: 2013-04-23 05:50 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-23 10:03 am (UTC)So it's not like he actually hates her or anything, he's just really frustrated with her mindset. He still intends to help her out/talk to her/harass her a lot/would protect her in a heartbeat, but he's mentally on guard to be as stubborn as possible about his beliefs around her \'-'\!
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Date: 2013-04-23 02:12 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-23 10:17 am (UTC)MACARON'S THOUGHTS ON LAWYER
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Date: 2013-04-23 02:32 pm (UTC)It's not even that she wants him to sociopath! She's aware that sociopathing is the exact opposite of a good strategy in dealing with other people, since she's asked around and the only people who seem to like Celeste or Cardinal are... Celeste and Cardinal. She just wants the team to not be an emotional wreck after a trauma game which, at least in her view, was only uncomfortable while they were waiting to find out their inevitable fate. That is time that could be used elsewhere! Like gathering food or spending time helping other more emo teams recover for relationship points or whatever. And then he yelled at her and she got all pissed at him and god she just wants to grab his scrawny little lawyer neck and shake him until he foams at the mouth. YOU HAVE LOGIC. USE IT. :T
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Date: 2013-04-24 11:48 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-25 12:45 am (UTC)And this is why she shakes him.
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Date: 2013-04-23 10:24 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-23 10:45 am (UTC)Well no, GOING A BIT INTO, he does understand why they'd be angry and scared! HE GETS IT. No one should WANT to die, and there isn't anything actually wrong about taking a stand on how you won't roll over and allow yourself to be game fodder. THAT he actually respects.
Buuuut then they also have the hypocritical nature of 'we won't let it happen to us BUT IT'S OKAY IF WE TOTALLY STEAM ROLLER EVERYONE ELSE :')' That is what pisses him off. He was fine with ignoring them, too, (he has no plans to bus ANYONE in games), until he found out about Iris. It's not that he's even especially close to them, just the blatant disrespect and selfishness Cardinal seems to flaunt infuriates him. If it wasn't for wanting to protect Teal, he would take every opportunity to play hard against Cardinal short of killing them 8'D
Soooo yes. NOT A FAN. Celeste is full of assholes, but he can tell their at least. . .well, not smart, but CAPABLE assholes, and he actually likes Copper Rose a bit. Cardinal is the only team that's managed to gte on his hate list \'-'\ will still invite them to tea out of stubborn courtesy, though.
CARDINAL WHY U SO SHANKY
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Date: 2013-04-23 08:40 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-23 01:14 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-30 01:20 am (UTC)Despite being...HIM...Apollo super likes Steel and wants to actually be friend things?? THIS IS SIGNIFICANT AS...Apollo doesn't really do friends well. He likes a lot of people!! He genuinely likes these people!! But it rarely occurs to him that they'll reciprocate the feelings and consider him more than an acquaintance. So whenever it does happen, it's like ???? BUT WHY????
It probably helps that Steel appears 10x more socially awkward than Apollo is, and he recognizes that Steel IS trying with others, and is making some sort of attempt to reach out. This paired with his gung ho ALL TEAMS SHOULD GET ALONG!!! ideals, it just seemed logical (lolo) to ally and form some sort of. friendthing. with Steel.
That aside, he does respect him, to an extent, despite them snarking at each other half the time. He also recognizes that Steel might not be All There thanks to his snide remark about murder :'D But Steel in general is nice to chat with, someone reasonable he can talk serious business/talk strategies with, and he completely trusts them not to stab Teal in the metaphorical back. Outside of games, anyway. He wouldn't mind so much if they through Teal under a bus (though the others might), because he feels like Steel would only do that if it was the best possible choice for his team.
SO YEAH Apollo really likes Steel!! .......actually he likes him in a sort of begrudging way he likes hobo!nick too, thinking on it. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S A GOOD OR BAD THING...
reverse 8>!
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Date: 2013-05-01 09:34 am (UTC)He does however think Apollo is stupid as shit sometimes. I can't say he respects Apollo because of things like ATTACKING DRAGON. Just. No. So he is often quite dismissive of Apollo. ON THE OTHER HAND he is starting to feel invested in the idea of him not dying so he's been working with Apollo more consistently and being less... jerky.
He is however really confused by what Apollo said about the underground caves and recognising him from there THEY SHOULD TALK ABOUT THAT AGAIN.
Would you ever update him to GS5, if you could make it make sense in Apollo's multigame timeline?
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Date: 2013-04-24 10:58 am (UTC)